As it turns out, the ABA's accreditation committee is recommending a denial of full accreditation to La Verne. According to this article, a final decision will come June 11, after the ABA Council issues its finding on whether it accepts the recommendation or denies it, and whether La Verne will continue to have provisional accreditation if denied. La Verne will have a chance to present its argument for accreditation, but it seems they're not overly optimistic:
"There's a pretty good chance that we won't get full approval because the odds are stacked against us right now," said Allen K. Easley, the college's dean and professor.
...During [a meeting last Wednesday with 150 concerned students], Easley said college officials were discussing the denial with their lawyers.
Meanwhile, officials said, the university is applying for state bar accreditation to ensure every current student will be able to take the exam after they graduate.
I would hope so, although I think "the" exam is faulty wording; it should be "a" bar exam. Rightfully, students are pissed.
"Even looking at this with the most likely and optimistic view of the school is that we're probably going to lose our accreditation in June," said Rachael Alcorn, 24."When I graduate in (May) 2012, I'm only going to have the California bar (and not ABA backing). That's not what I came to this school for."
...Student Ali Kazmi, 25, of Rancho Cucamonga said he was trying to determine what his next move would be.
"It catches you off guard ... I'm worried about the school's reputation now," Kazmi said.
Well, it's not like the school had a stellar reputation to begin with, but I completely understand where these students come from. The ABA's course of action during the entire law school bubble was to "Always Be Accreditin'." It was a logical assumption to make that all provisionally-accredited would be fully-accredited in due time. The students couldn't have predicted the ABA would wake up and enforce standards, and so I think they have a right to be angry at the situation.
For example, here is what the 2010-2011 Course Catalog says about accreditation:
The University of La Verne College of Law has been provisionally approved by the Council of the Section of Legal Education and Admissions to the Bar of the American Bar Association since February 13, 2006. The Section of Legal Education may be contacted at 321 North Clark Street, Chicago, IL 60610 or by phone at (312) 988-6738.Do you see that? It "precedes full approval" as if it's a given, a guarantee, an inevitable turn-of-the-page consequence. No mention of the chance that the ABA will say "no." No mention of the 5-year provisional expiration or the school's previous issue with low bar passage rates. That seems like misrepresentation of a material fact, and that's not right, La Verne.
Provisional approval precedes full ABA approval. ABA policy states that students enrolled in a provisionally-approved school are entitled to all the rights and privileges as students at fully approved schools. A law school must remain in provisional status for a minimum of two years before becoming eligible for consideration for full approval.
Unfortunately, the students are the ones really getting screwed here. The school will go on, possibly as a state accredited institution, but that model seems to work in California and they'll have a better reputation than the other California-only schools. The students, however, are stuck with a J.D. from a non-ABA school, which means they can't practice in most states. Even though they'll be denied the benefit of an ABA-approved education, they'll still be paying the massive costs (I think it's around 36k a year). If La Verne loses 2012 accreditation, the Class of 2012 will be truly and royally screwed. Most law students severely overpay for a product. La Verne's 2Ls and possibly 3Ls will be overpaying for a product they can't even fully use.
So here are my pithy, but completely serious suggestions for all involved:
-If you're the ABA, make a rule or exception that allows students who enrolled at a provisionally accredited school to finish as if they'd gone to a provisionally-accredited school.
-If you're a 1L at La Verne in the top 1/3 or so of the class, transfer. For the love of all that's holy, get out of Dodge. If you're in the bottom 2/3, find something else to do with your life unless you have a warm seat waiting for you on the other side.
-If you're a 2L or 3L at La Verne, complain, protest, and spread awareness about the massive screwjob that the school and the ABA seem to be performing.
-If you're the La Verne administration or faculty, ask yourself why you're running an institution that charges around $36,000 a year for an education where students aren't even equipped to pass the bar, may not have a chance to even take the bar, and, even if they pass, are thrown into a saturated legal market that has almost no use for them.
Also, ask yourself why your school has been less-than-upfront about the possibility that the school would lose accreditation (see my previous entry, or the course catalog entry above) and why I'm not able to find up-front tuition and costs on the school's website. Are you hiding this information from prospective applicants? Are these the operational values that you want to be associated with?
Also, I honestly think the La Verne administration should seriously consider some type of rebates to students for the school's failure.
The college has 420 students, up from about 250 or so prior to it gaining provisional accreditation from the ABA, he said.A 68% jump. Think students don't factor in accreditation? Think the school didn't advertise it to the max?
I have no connection to La Verne, and I know no one who's ever talked about the place, but it's hard to not blame the school in this situation. Hopefully, the school can retain provisional status, only to prevent a large amount of students from being doubly screwed. If the ABA leaves the school with no accreditation, I really hope they find a way to except the current 2Ls and 3Ls, because it's really not right leaving them as the hot potato victims of this mess.
Every bubble deflates... it is inevitable.
ReplyDeleteI am not defending La Verne. I think we need another law school like we need a-hole-in-your-head. (sic) But, something is missing.
ReplyDelete1) one full class must matriculate before the ABA will consider the school for provisional accreditation.
2) Except for 4 states, most state bars view ABA provisional accreditation is the same as full accreditation for its graduates.
3) Most Calif schools get CBA accreditation before ABA accreditation.
4) As long as the their students pass the Calif Bar, they can sit for the bar exams of all but 5) states. For example, Miss requires you graduate from an ABA school, BUT if you sit for another US Bar exam you can sit for the Miss bar exam.
I am not sure what is happening at La Verne. I am glad the ABA said "NO."
I am a current student at La Verne in the 2L class. Speaking candidly, most people on campus already felt screwed by the low Bar-passage rates and the horrible treatment by administration. But now everyone is trying to get off the sinking ship faster than the rats on the Titanic.
ReplyDeleteThe Deans are a hot mess, who have forgotten the students completely in their quest for ABA accreditation, instead of making the students their foremost priority. Teachers are advised to NOT teach to the Bar. And now they tell us that they are shocked and disappointed at the Accreditation Site team's report.
The 3L class is all just glad that they're escaping this fiasco. The 2Ls are spending finals prep time trying to transfer. And the 1Ls are in full freak-out mode and ready to riot.
Me? I'm just ready to finish finals and then try to figure out what I have to do to prep for the "baby" Bar in California.
Sorry, to clear up a point. Does La Verne have CBA status? If it does, then does it plan to go on like JFK and the other CBA schools or keep plugging away at the ABA?
ReplyDeleteOne of the articles linked to quotes the dean as stating they're going to try to get CBA status as soon as possible, so I would assume they don't have it as of now.
ReplyDeleteI don't think you'll see the school close, although at some point we almost have to see a law school close up shop.
What a horrible state of events. Since the CA bar is the hardest bar exam in the nation, why don't they consider that as a factor in granting U La Verne Law Accreditation? If U La Verne grads sat for the AZ, WA or OR bar exams, the pass rate would be high and they would be a shoe in for accreditation. From what I hear the grads of La Verne are pretty good attorneys.
ReplyDeleteIf I'm not mistaken, the standard is w/in 15% of the overall pass rate, so it contemplates how hard the bar exam is.
ReplyDeleteResponding to your comments to the La Verne faculty . . . what makes you think the administration is any more honest with its faculty than it is with its students?!?
ReplyDeleteI don't think my comments rule out that possibility at all.
ReplyDeleteI go to La Verne Law
ReplyDeleteIt is a GREAT school!
I hope the ABA committee reverses itself due to the excellent results of the 2011 CA February Bar Exam, or gets reversed by the ABA Division that oversees the committee and that this whole fiasco is behind us permanently and forever.
I am writing you today with important news and an update on the University of La Verne College of Law and its accreditation status with the American Bar Association (ABA).
ReplyDeleteOn Friday, April 29, 2011, we appeared before the ABA Accreditation Committee at a hearing to consider our application for full approval. We have now been informed that the Committee has voted not to recommend full approval for La Verne Law.
We are extremely disappointed with this action. This recommendation is not the result we desired or expected. Ten months ago the Accreditation Committee recommended that we receive full approval. However, the ABA Council, which has final decision-making authority on applications for full approval, determined that it needed additional information from us and delayed a decision, requiring the College of Law to go through another site inspection and a re-hearing before the Accreditation Committee. That site inspection was overwhelmingly positive.
We believe we have only grown stronger in the last year, so the recent recommendation of the Accreditation Committee is deeply disconcerting. However, the ABA Council still has the final decision-making authority, so we will appear before them on June 11, 2011 asking that they grant our application for full approval. The Council can choose to reject the Committee’s recommendation, as it did a year ago, this time granting our application for full approval. However, the Council could also accept the Committee’s recommendation, which will cause us to lose our provisional status with the ABA, effective June 30, 2011.
As a student who has committed to attending our school, I understand that you may have many questions. In some cases we can't answer those questions without getting more information ourselves. We anticipate more details in the upcoming weeks and are committed to doing everything possible to achieve the most positive results possible for our students.
To help you better plan for your future, I intend to keep you fully informed on the process as it unfolds. We remain hopeful for a positive outcome in June, but are also doing our due diligence to prepare for contingencies that will ensure the best options for our students. The admissions staff and my office will be happy to talk with you about any concerns you may have, and we will be sending out new information as it becomes available.
Please know also that it is our intention, should we lose ABA approval in June, to reapply for provisional ABA approval as quickly as possible, and continue down the path towards full approval. Before we obtained ABA provisional approval in 2006, we were accredited by the California State Bar. We have already begun the process of regaining California accreditation because we are committed to doing everything we can to assure that our students, when they graduate from La Verne Law, are able to sit for the California bar exam.
Please feel free to contact me with questions or concerns regarding this matter or you may contact the Admissions Office for more information or to discuss enrollment matters. I believe wholeheartedly that our students receive a wonderful and comprehensive legal education at La Verne Law, and I look forward to welcoming you this fall. Until then, please don't hesitate to contact the school if you want to discuss anything about this process, and I will continue to let you know what is happening as soon as I have any information.
Sincerely,
Allen K. Easley
Dean and Professor of Law