Tuesday, May 24, 2011

Emory Graduation Speaker/Professor Tells the Indentured Peasants to Stop Whining

It's not surprising that one of the themes of this year's graduation season has been "we didn't promise you jobs," along with its tag-team accomplices, "broaden your horizons" and "you should serve the poor for nothing."

But statements like this, apparently made by Emory Professor/Graduation Speaker Sara Stadler as reported by law.com, still seem jarring:
At the law school's May 9 graduation, she dumped optimistic commencement speech cliches for a lesson in tough love, telling the Class of 2011 to stop fretting over the dearth of big money jobs.

"Get over it," said Stadler. "The one thing standing in the way of your happiness is a sense of entitlement."

What a head-in-the-clouds, audacious, rudely oblivious thing to say. You'll be happy if you just stop having a sense of entitlement? It's so daft, it's offensive. What about the students who don't have a sense of entitlement and never had one? What about the ones who just want a 45-50k a year job as a full-time attorney (e.g. those people who want to do public service from the get-go), the ones who are willing and ready to bust their ass, but can't get their foot in the door because the market has become so saturated? Did she even address that?

Where does this straw man that most students expect "big money" jobs come from, anyway? I know Emory is a higher caliber than most law schools, but very few law students, even at that level of school, are still pining for the "big money" after three years; most often, the illusion is destroyed the winter of 1L year if it existed at all. I would guess that a majority of recent Emory graduates would immediately accept a full-time position making 65k a year.

In any event, some sense of entitlement is justified when students are spending over $200,000 for a three-year education, including costs of living. Many of these students only paid that much on the belief that the product would provide a reasonable return on their investment. Paying $200,000 for a license that, it turns out, can only make one $45k a year (a marginal earnings increase - if that - for most students who get into Emory) is a perfectly-valid reason to complain.

Could you imagine other industries trying this? There's always some entitlement in purchasing a product; it's why we have implied warranties. Now, the legal marketers tell us, we're to have no sense of entitlement, so that if and when the product turns out to be virtually worthless, there's no reason to complain. Right...

This is yet another attempt to make systemic problems the problems of single individual students. The reason many of these students will be miserable, says resident genius Sara Stadler according to the source here, isn't that they'll be paying 1500 a month for the next 30 years for a degree that only marginally increased their earning power, but rather that they had any expectations at all. It's their problem, not any issue with the system that sucked them in with implied promises of being a lucrative (or even reasonable) move.

"I'm sure Emory has failed you in some way," Stadler added, saying she wished she could change that. But the terrible job market, she said, offers opportunity for happiness.

"You might have to move to Nebraska. … You might have to join a small firm where they don't make the big bucks," she said. "You might also have to learn to be a giver, not a taker. Givers tend to be happy people. Takers are never satisfied...."
When you consider that, according to her bio, Prof. Stadler jumped from federal clerkship to BigLaw (three different places) to professorship, this sets a high bar for absurdly hypocritical bullshit, doesn't it?

Who in God's name thinks of the world in terms of "givers" and "takers?" Did she read some low-rent daily devotional? And, if the world really were that way, wouldn't the takers view the givers as suckers? And, as part of the law school system, isn't she clearly a "taker?" Isn't this the same sort of pseudo-religious crap people have used to make the proletariat and below hunky-dory with social inequality for centuries? And why does she think the small firms of Nebraska will be willing to hire the Emory cast-offs who can't get jobs in Georgia?

It boggles the mind.

16 comments:

  1. I can't really get angry at her. Why? That is the way she really sees things. Her experience in life has not made her sympathetic or open to changing mindset regarding the state of the legal profession. If she is doing well, why fuck with the status quo right? The "your lazy and stop QQing" is a common strawman I see many educators use. I don't really believe that its an entitlement matter when all you want is the fair opportunity to work at your trade. You spend 3 of your best years, rack up huge mountain of debt, and then when all you want to do is work and start a family...thats apparently an "entitlement." No, I think that would be classified in most places as a right. The right to be able to live with some dignity. Clearly she doesn't believe that people need dignity and decent paying jobs. No, I am not talking big law. I am talking regular run of the mill legal associate who makes 40+k. Even those jobs are getting hard to come by. Doc review? Maybe if they paid more than 12 dollars an hour and didn't want 50+ hour work weeks. Clearly this professor has forgotten that the high cost of living and large amounts of debt we have precludes us from living poor and doing public interest law. I would LOVE to work in public interest. Who the hell can afford it unless you want to eat ramen and drink diet coke for the rest of your life. Yeah, no thanks. I'm almost 30 and I don't want to live like a college student for the rest of my life. But there is no help for it.

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  2. What a POS Stadler is. Just another self-righteous, self-deluded beneficiary of the fedloan complex, spouting free market "tough love" while her very livelihood depends on gov subsidized student loans. Take that away, she's out of a job.

    Well, maybe she'll find one in Nebraska. I'm sure the legal market is better there!

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  3. "What about the students who don't have a sense of entitlement and never had one?"
    I live in Atlanta and can tell you that at Emory, they are rare. Tuition + fees is over $45K per year, so there are not a whole lot of them that are looking for that $45-50K attorney job.
    The message was to "get over" the sense of entitlement to work in a $160K biglaw job and go out and find something that they are passionate about, to work creatively, and to work hard to find find a path that is truly right for them.

    Maybe her path through biglaw is actually what *allows* her to counsel students not to worry so much about missing that train--she's walked that walk and can speak from experience--rather than being the hypocrite you say she is?

    It's not like these students were sold something they couldn't have known was overpriced for what they were getting. I'm in the same graduating class, and I did my homework. Caveat emptor.

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  4. Shouldn't you be entitled to something when work hard for 3 years of your life and spend $200k?

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  5. "I live in Atlanta and can tell you that at Emory, they are rare."

    You've canvassed the Emory class of 2011? You know how many wouldn't be happy with a decent full-time job that allows them to pay their loans? Please, publish your results.

    (Incidentally, apparently a group of Emory students actually did a survey (http://emorylawstudent.com/3l-class-of-2011-employment-figures#more-93) and found that mid-sized firms and government work are highly sought after by unemployed graduates).

    "Maybe her path through biglaw is actually what *allows* her to counsel students not to worry so much about missing that train--she's walked that walk and can speak from experience--rather than being the hypocrite you say she is?"

    That's not why I said she's a hypocrite.

    "It's not like these students were sold something they couldn't have known was overpriced for what they were getting. I'm in the same graduating class, and I did my homework. Caveat emptor."

    Same tired argument that's already been defeated numerous times.

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  6. "The message was to "get over" the sense of entitlement to work in a $160K biglaw job and go out and find something that they are passionate about, to work creatively, and to work hard to find find a path that is truly right for them."

    If tuition + fees at Emory are over $45k per years, wouldn't it have made more sense for her to have delivered this message before these students enrolled at Emory, and took on debt that they will not be able to repay through "passion" and "creativity"? After all, Prof. Stadler walked the walk of making $160k per year before pursuing her "passion" of teaching at schools that charge $45k per year for the rare opportunity to "get over it."

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  7. Warren T is clearly a person who has yet to leave the warm comfort of his collegiate world for the harsh realities of being under/unemployed and qualifying for food stamps after 7 years of higher education. Welcome to the real world Warren! After the bar exam is over and you pass or not. In a few short months, you too will experience all that living a dirty poor existence has to offer, as you smash can on the ground at "save-a-lot" so you can get that 25cent discount. Hell, Campbells is a fucken luxury. I always spring for the generic brand its about a dollar less. Forget dating or even sex as you roam around searching for a job. As rejection letter after rejection letter comes in you finally feel the deep sense of despair that most of your legal brethren feel everyday. If your lucky, you might end up working a job that pays you wages which are similar to that "summer job" you had in high school and your boss is 5 years younger than you and making more money. The best you can hope for at the end of your meaningless existence is stealing your neighbors internet connection as you jerk off to porn and then cry yourself to sleep at night in your basement apt (or even worse your parents house).

    You keep defending the established order warren. A few months of this hell and you will be singing a different tune my friend.

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  8. Anonymous at 2pm "clearly" didn't pay attention the legal writing class when the teacher said not to use adverbs like "clearly." I hope this isn't the reason you are out of a job. In fact, you are quite wrong about me not leaving the "warm comfort" of college, because I worked for several years before deciding to return to law school. Oh, and I spent a good bit of that time researching law schools, the profession, and employment prospects (or lack thereof—even in the flush days of the mid-2000s)—and saving for my education so that when I decided to attend my lower-priced school, I wouldn't have to graduate with a crushing load of debt.

    In my "real world," I worried whether I'd be able to feed my wife and kid (sorry about your lack of a dating life), in addition to myself. And knowing not winning the legal job lottery was a possibility, I built in a back up plan. Unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on which disenchanted former lawyer you talk to), many of my friends and classmates have had to resort to their backup plans. I'm sorry yours didn't work out, if you had one.

    I'll give you credit for your entertaining depiction of the sad life of a jobless J.D. grad. But that's about all you get credit for...

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  9. That's great, Warren. So in your "real world," how's your legal career going?

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  10. From Warren T.'s profile:

    "About Me
    just your average Atlantan, except that I actually grew up in the metro area. I think I rock, sometimes too much.

    If you were a pirate, how would you avoid laughing when saying "poop deck"?
    Poop myself. That makes all laughing stop...

    Interests
    College Football (UGA) politics (libertarian/conservative) national security policy chicks staplers"

    You classify yourself as a ibertarian, huh? Do you realize the folly of your position? You will argue "free market" and "caveat emptor." Are you a mindless parrot? The "professors" you adore - and fellate - are not operating under a free market.

    With regards to law schools, this reality is further pronounced. ABA committees are dominated by "law professors." These pigs allow US firms to hire foreign lawyers and non-lawyers to engage in American legal discovery. See ABA "Ethics" Opinion 08-451.

    Yet, they decide what rates law schools will pay their "professors." This was the crux of the DOJ antitrust lawsuit against the ABA, under the Clinton administration. Furthermore, these pigs are paid via federally-backed student loans.

    You are welcome for the education and thorough beatdown, willfully ignorant bitch.

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  11. Epic rape by Nando. (again)

    Man keep fighting the good fight. I'm a JD class of 2010 grad and the law school scam is in fucking full swing.

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  12. There is a time and a place for every thing; commencement was certainty not the time for a speaker to make such sweeping, patronizing generalizations about a group of students. I'm a student at GSU law (as is Warren T) and I can only image the outrageous students would have if one of our deans made statements like this at commencement. Call me idealistic, but I believe commencement is a time to celebrate accomplishments and embrace the future. It was not the time for Emory's speaker to lecture, critique and scold hardworking accomplished students in front of their families and loved ones.

    There are many other students who are in the same boat at Emory students; they paid a lot of money for a degree in a field that is suffering. A few years back it made sense to go to the "best school" you could get in to, and you'd be in the position to pay your loans in no time. That just is not the case anymore.

    I turned down higher ranked schools to attend GSU, because I was aware that the legal market was suffering and I didn't want to take the gamble; as warren T says, "I did my homework."

    While that was the choice I and others like Warren T. made, I realize not everyone was able to, willing, or even thought it was the best decision.

    Warren suggests that Emory is full of entitled, selfish students that lack insight. He is simply wrong. Emory Law is a great institution, with great professors, great students, and great alumni. There is no denying that. There's a reason they have the strong national reputation that they do.

    Most laws students are worried about the legal market and job stability and rightfully so. Most law students have some level of debt; whether they are going to into the private or public sector they will have concerns about how they will pay that debt back. Most students want a job that allows them to pay off their debt and rewards them financially for the degree they busted their ass to get. Let's not confuse this with being "entitled."

    Warren T. please stop knocking Emory Law grads. Spreading this stereotype that Emory kids are "entitled," only perpetuates the stereotype that GSU students "have a chip on their shoulder".

    And please stop critiquing peoples grammar and punctuation on internet blogs... this is not RWA and not everyone can be at the top of their class.

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  13. Hah! This is all very funny. From the disenchanted and militant Emory folks to the anonymous GSU Law grad taking Warren to task. (I can only guess at why you chose to post anonymously). Ok, so I'll throw in my anectdotal evidence. I have worked with a couple of Emory grads who had absolutely no interest in Big Law (or for that matter any firm work) and they absolutely did not feel entitled. They also got non-firm jobs and had multiple graduate degrees.

    Is there a sense of entitlement at Emory? Oh you betcha! Perhaps they are not all going around whining about how they are entitled to the $160k job at K&S, but they certainly feel that they should *at least* get the $60k job over the the GSU and UGA law folks. I call that entitlement, and it is a disease; to that end Sadler is absolutely correct. Instead of being creative and making a marketable brand for themselves to embark on a career path that will eventually lead to the big money (if that is the goal), I have heard an inordinate amount of whining coming from the Emory camp. And some of the whining has been well publicized (just do a search for Emory Law on Abovethelaw.com).

    The reality is that the Emory Law brand does not carry the buying power it once did. This is the word in the Atlanta legal community where I have heard from many partners at major law firms that Emory Law grads carry a sense of entitlement (both pre and post recession), and I have heard and experienced this first hand. Again, anectdotal, but there it is.

    Sadly, Sadler is not the problem. Neither is Warren T. I can't say that I wouldn't have felt entitled had I attended Emory...in fact, I probably would have. That's the trap. Entitlement kills creativity always. Oh, and to Nando, et al., grow up. Your problems obviously stem from the fact that you are still children.

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  14. Oh, yes, *obviously*.

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  15. It seems when the car industry stopped paying their loans they got a bailout.

    And when the banks stopped paying their debts they got a bailout.

    Maybe if we all get together and stop paying our loans we'll get a bailout too.

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