Showing posts with label colorado. Show all posts
Showing posts with label colorado. Show all posts

Tuesday, April 26, 2011

Prof. Paul Campos Does Some Independent Research for The New Republic

Although this article in The New Republic by Paul Campos, Professor of Law at Colorado, seems to be phrased more as a general myth-busting piece about how law schools push misleading statistics and the results thereof, the most interesting part of the article is when Prof. Campos reveals he did some revealing in-depth study of one school's employment numbers:
In order to calculate [the number of graduates employed in full-time positions], I used employment data drawn from 183 individual NALP forms, in which graduates of one top 50 school self-reported their employment status nine months after graduation. This data suggests that fully one-third of those graduates who report they are working in full-time jobs that require a law degree are in temporary, rather than permanent, positions....

When we take temporary employment into account, it appears that approximately 45 percent of 2010 graduates of this particular top-50 law school had real legal jobs nine months after graduation....
In what may have been a separate research task, Prof. Campos claims to have audited a sample of NALP responses:
[I] found several instances of people describing themselves as employed permanently or full-time, when in fact they had temporary or part-time jobs (I found no instances of inaccuracies running in the other direction). Perhaps some graduates exaggerate their employment status out of embarrassment, or for strategic reasons, but, whatever their reasons might be, this apparently not uncommon practice suggests that the true employment rate should be lowered even further.
Completely unsurprising but still revolting. This article speaks for itself, but I want to make four brief observations:
  1. The New Republic is hardly a sworn enemy of higher education; if anything, I would guess a significant portion of their readership exists because liberal arts majors, graduate students, and professors persist.
  2. The University of Colorado-Boulder was ranked 47th in the most recent US News and World Reports. Should we assume it's the "top 50 school" he's referring to?
  3. Granted, Paul Campos is generally a skeptic of American law, but one reason I think professors like Paul Campos come forward and actually show concern about this colossal mess is that - lost in the system among the tweed jacket privateers - there are actually people who care about their students and build relationships with many of them. As these types of professors see great students and good, hard-working people utterly fail on the job market, they can't help but research what the hell is going on and how this mess happened. I would expect more professorial inquiry as it becomes clear that many high-quality students from the classes of 2008, 2009, 2010, and now 2011 will get absolutely swallowed by an unjust system.
  4. If this were published just one year ago, it would have been ground-breaking journalism that would have seemed out of left-field and startled some of those who used to staunchly write-off the so-called scamblogs as bitter extremists shouting in the woods. Now it's fairly routine and accepted fare. Think about that for a second.

Monday, April 4, 2011

Applications Increase at Colorado

Yes, the headline is correct. While applications elsewhere are falling - to the tune of 11% per year - applications at Colorado-Boulder are up a whopping 12.7%. Of course, the numbers are coming from the school itself, and as we all know from the 'Nova example, people lie. But still, why are people going to Colorado, especially if its neighbor to the east saw a precipitous decline?
“Our faculty continues to focus on a quality educational experience that combines theory and practice,” Dean David Getches says in the release. “When you combine that type of education with our student teacher ratio and our relatively low costs, there is a great value in our education. We believe that is what prospective students are seeing when they choose to apply here.”
Gee, that sounds like almost every other public school in the country.

Incidentally, this more or less shoots down my "part-time/evening" program theory from Saturday, as CU has only a full-time day program.

I really don't get it. The COA is still 43k which is more than Kansas, Wyoming, etc. It's not like the Denver legal market is booming, and it's not like CU grads have any kind of edge in national hiring.

I suppose some school had to keep the application numbers high. Maybe Colorado offered more fee waivers or something, but again, I just don't see the genuine interest.